Wind Turbines for Olguin Campus on Coastal Commission agenda

Illustration of SPHS Olguin Campus at Angels Gate Park. Wind turbines are shown in the lower left corner. Click image to enlarge.

Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) has a permit request on the California Coastal Commission’s July meeting agenda. Permit No. 5-08-251-A3 requests permission to install and operate thirty-six (36) 12kW 50-ft. high wind turbines to provide alternate energy source for new high school at 3210 South Alma, San Pedro.

The item (#17a) is on the agenda for Thursday, July 12. The meeting begins at 9:00 am at the Chula Vista City Council Chambers, 276 Fourth Avenue, Chula Vista, CA 91910.

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7 thoughts on “Wind Turbines for Olguin Campus on Coastal Commission agenda

  1. I am all for wind power, and Point Fermin has the wind, but have the authoprs of this proposal ever been close to a wind turbine. They are as noisy up close as they are beautiful in the distance. Not only will the noise disrul;t classroo9m instruction, it will make outydoors activities unpleasant, as well as impact on the perace and quiet that the neighbors of the school deserve. Good thought; wrong place.

  2. Kim, the effect of noise level of the turbines on the students is an excellent point. I am pro-Green energy, too, so was curious about the noise level emitted from the turbines since I have never been close to one before.

    A little research tonight brought me to WePOWER’S Falcon 12 kW vertical-axis wind turbine (http://www.wepower.us/products/falcon/falcon-12kw.htm). I don’t know the make or model LAUSD is considering but it’s the closest thing I could find to the illustration that was 12 kW. The Falcon fact sheet says the turbine puts out 32 dB at 9′ in a 15mph wind (pretty much an every day occurrence around here). 32 dB is really quiet — about the equivalent of a whisper in a library from 6′. There is no mention of the maximum dB output at high speeds, unfortunately.

    Here is a video of a Falcon 12 kW at 20 mph: http://youtu.be/i7B44jkAQ80 . It’s tough to know if you are hearing wind noise on the microphone or the wind turbines themselves.

    Another tidbit I came across: ANSI Standard S 12.60-2002 (American National Standard Acoustical Performance Criteria, Design Requirements, and Guidelines for Schools) recommends a maximum background noise at 35 decibels for unoccupied classrooms.

    Decibels are cumulative. So, what would the sound level be from 36 wind turbines? I believe, but don’t quote me here because I’m no sound or math expert, that the adding of two identical sources on the same phase will increase the total sound power level with 3 dB, a third would be 2 dB, and so on. What’s the total? I don’t know but probably less than 50 dB (it’s a bit late at night to be figuring out complicated math problems). And that’s if they are the same exact sound. It the turbines are spinning at different rates, then the formula would be different.

    Are there any sound experts checking in here that could weigh in on this topic? If so, please speak up.

  3. First came the ugly school buildings. Next we’ll get the additional traffic congestion. Now, 50 foot monsters that have no place in our neighborhood. They belong in the Mojave Desert. I am shocked that these turbines are even being considered. We need to stop this insanity. Green energy has a place, but not in a residential neighborhood.

  4. It doesnt really matter what anybody thinks, feels, or can prove about pro/cons with this new It It doesn’t really matter what we think, feel, or canprove about the new high school and or wind turbine on campus. The fact is: “slick LAUSD consultants; advertising agency; top brass; elected representatives and teachers unions have spent unbeliveable amounts of money to brain washed the public with what they want… Not what is needed to educate! Now by God they will spend every last penny of the bonds they got the uninformed masses to vote for in the name of education… on a new school campus that just a few weeks ago LAUSD tried to give away because they did not and could not operate it! Wind turbines certainly do not qualify for better education. What we should do is dislove LAUSD in favor of small districts like LAUSD’s small school double speak. Then sell the down town ivory administration tower (probably worth a full hundred million dollars) and fire over 3,000 district management folks who lend nothing at all to teacher, books, and educations… Potentially billions of dollars could be redirected to educating our kids if we were serious about education.
    ce la vie – we talk about wind mills instead… Enjoy writing those LA county property tax checks for the next forty years and I suggst you then spend another small fortune and send your kids to private school.

  5. I really appreciate all the thinking that is in evidence with the above replies but when it all comes down to the bottom line I think that the turbines are a very good idea, a great idea, in fact. This design of turbine is far better than the old bladed turbines we see near Palm Springs. They are much quieter and far less dangerous to birds. Personally, I believe that the students going to the new high school will appreciate the effort to use wind power technology to its fullest. Go for it!

  6. First we got a high school that the majority of residents didn’t want. Now we will be “blessed” with another waste of the taxpayers money by putting in wind turbines. Does anyone else wonder at the “deals” that go on behind the scenes? I made my living as a salesman and I am well aware of the incentives offered by mfgs. for “considerations”. Who’s selling the turbines? Who is receiving what for their eventual sale and installation? Why, when the school board is dropping programs for financial reasons, are these funds to be expended? What does this “teach” these kids? The idea is bad, the execution is bad, the causes are bad and the administration is, if not bad, certainly suspect.
    We, as taxpayers, have no say in these matters once the funds have been made available to the administrators. Perhaps the right procedure is to quit passing these bonds and allow the school boards to “adjust” to lower income so that they may be forced to funnel the allotments they receive into educating the young as opposed to building projects that afford them gratuities for okaying ideas that don’t directly improve education.

  7. It sounds like we are getting sucked into the wrong discussion(s); Are the wind mills going to noisy, kill birds, be unsightly, diminish property values, be a waste of educational funds, be an educational distraction for the school, etc., etc.!

    The real issue is “Why is a public school dealing with Power Generation”?

    We do have companies, PG&E, Southern California Edison, et.al. who know how to produce Green Power and do it well. Just take a trip to Tehachapi Pass or Banning Pass.

    Perhaps Superintendent Deasy can explain why the LAUSD needs to use our public school resources and neighborhoods to compete with these Power Companies?

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